Geert Wilders’ Fitna (17 mins)
Edit: LiveLeak have now removed Fitna from their servers due to serious threats being made against their staff - a case of life imitating art, I guess - but it can still be seen on Google Video (see below) and YouTube.
Fitna is a film by Dutch politician Geert Wilders, leader of the Party for Freedom (PVV) in the Dutch parliament. The movie offers his view on Islam and the Qur’an.
from www.liveleak.com posted with vodpod
Related story - the Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard is pissed that Geert Wilders used his cartoon which depicts the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb in his turban without his permission.
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Western countries in the history: Crimes, Tortures, Holocaust, Genocide, Racism . . . throughout their short history.
More: Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine,. . .
Then we can talk about Islam, the religion that starts with swearing to Pen! at the time science men were sentenced to death by European nations for their belief!
West following a racist idea is moving toward an integrated world war against Moslems!
Democracy, human rights, freedom, . . .
state terrorism, brutality, torture, . . .
All could be seen in Abo Ghraib . ..
http://persia1.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/war-of-oil-revisiting-us-crimes/
http://persia1.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/holocaust-free-speech-prophet-mohammad/
Comment by Parsin — March 28, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
And you think that bringing up Western brutalities in some way justifies the rat-dropping that is radical Islam?
Comment by Curmudgeonly — March 28, 2008 @ 8:11 pm
No, but western countries should cleanup their own Sh… first!
Their history up to 2008! has been noting but hate, racism, killings, torture, . . . We do not need to here these BS.
You may not be aware, they are brainwashing you and those like you for their multinational goals; including future wars, invasions, killings, …
Any support of these actions is a cooperation in killing innocent people in the near future.
http://persia1.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/holocaust-free-speech-prophet-mohammad/
http://persia1.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/war-of-oil-revisiting-us-crimes/
Comment by Parsin — March 30, 2008 @ 6:27 am
I never supported the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else that you mentioned above. However, if you’re going to talk about cleaning up your own mess, when are Muslims going to stop killing and oppressing their fellow Muslims? This isn’t exactly a recent phenomenon.
Comment by islaskye — March 30, 2008 @ 8:48 am
I don’t know where are you from. It seems you are very behind the current news. I mean the news of at least last 5 years!! Keep up with news! Who is making bloodshed in Iraq? in Gaza! Who invaded south Lebanon?! Who invaded Afghanistan for some nonsense reason!
History of western countries is full of racism, still nothing has changed! Don’t believe me just take a look at US. How colored are suffering. Take a look at these blogs around yourself (incogman.wordpress.com) see how they are hatefully talking about other races. You are raised in this society with a nasty history of hate, killing and bloodshed.
At the time Moslems had the most wonderful civilization in the world, European countries were in dark ages believing that “taking bath and washing and cleaning is a sin”.
Have ever thought were that hat which you use in college graduation has come from?? Read you historians to find out that west learned most of science at the edge of renaissance, from Moslems! Hat was borrowed at that time!!
I hope one day, awareness among us would be enough not to become a free tool at the hands of criminal politicians around the world.
Last, Moslems not only do not fight within themselves, but also they highly respect others. An example is in Iran and Lebanon. Christians, Jews, and Moslems have been living together since thousands years ago!
Comment by Parsin — March 30, 2008 @ 10:26 am
Parsin, there is some truth to what you say — the West has committed many crimes against its own people and against the rest of the world, and the Islamic world was more advanced than Europe in almost every way a thousand years ago (although it’s not really clear why that should matter today). The idea that the West has little moral standing to criticize Islam might be arguable. But no one can take you seriously when you spout nonsense like this:
“Moslems not only do not fight within themselves…”
Muslims are killing Muslims in Iraq. Iraq invaded Kuwait. The Taliban took over Afghanistan through civil war after the Soviets were driven out. Iran and Iraq had a horrible, bloody war that killed over a million Muslims. There are many other examples recent and ancient. And the whole history of the Caliphate — like any other history — is filled with assassinations and civil wars. Muslims fight among themselves as much as anyone else.
You’re as bad as any of the people you criticize — xenophobic, irrational, full of hatred, always blaming the Other, blind to your own people’s faults, incapable of change. It’s people like you, no matter if they’re Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Atheist, or anything else, who are turning this world into a cesspool of hatred and bloodshed. To hell with you and all people like you.
Comment by kuri — March 30, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
Read this!
Geert Wilders Going To Get Sued - By Rapper Salah Edin
http://persia1.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/geert-wilders-going-to-get-sued-by-rapper-salah-edin/
Comment by Parsin — March 30, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
And your point is what, Parsin? Are you trying to imply that Geert Wilders’ sloppy mistake should call into question the way he portrays Islam in his film? Or are you simply spamming in order to get more visitors to your blog?
Comment by Curmudgeonly — March 31, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
Please take a look at the post “How Muslims Are Treated In USA-abc Primetime” in my blog and tell me, based on your way of judgment, how should Moslems judge about this!
I have written enough comments about Wilders, you can read some of them in my blog. However, to make it short, what Wilders and those like him are doing, is creating hate and hate among people. These are some racists that now are in harmony with neocons who are in power in US, and the Apartheid regime of Israel. What they are trying to tell other people about Islam and Moslems are not true at all. The way they are doing this is linking two completely different things and must say, both of them censored, and put them together to make a wrong picture of Islam.
About Moslems in Iraq, These people that you see killing each other in recent years, have been living together in peace for 14 century. US is the cause of this killings. They are trying to do the same in Lebanon.
Have ever asked yourselves what a hell US government is doing this side of the globe !!
Comment by Parsin — April 1, 2008 @ 5:31 am
I am reading the book “The shock Doctrine” at the moment it has some interesting observations in regards to how the US works globally and why is anyone familiar with this book I am less than 1/2 way through it.
Comment by coventryrm — April 1, 2008 @ 1:46 pm